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Old 10-12-10, 02:47 AM
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I am more and more meeting brothers in the Lord who believe that one slip one sin even one of which a person isn't particularly conscious can negate a lifetime of walking with Christ and send a person to hell if they die before repenting. This troubles me in what it seems to say about the nature of God and the strength of salvation. I'm looking for some discussion on this if anyone has 2 cents or $2 they want to put in. Just please remember we are brothers and sisters who have Jesus love in us and can talk w/o put downs and help not hurt each other. Thanks.
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1Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. ... Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. Matthew 25:40 & 45

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Old 10-12-10, 03:20 PM
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Tell me what scripture they are using to propagate this...doctrine.
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Old 10-12-10, 08:34 PM
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1Cr 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway
Hbr 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble [you], and thereby many be defiled;
Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Sgs 2:15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines [have] tender grapes. [ this is taken to mean a small slip]
among others. There are quite a few so interpreted including some which in my view contain in themselves a contradiction to this like Mt 24:24 where the subjunctive use of were possible is not understood.
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1Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. ... Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. Matthew 25:40 & 45

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Old 10-12-10, 10:34 PM
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Personal view of mine would be that we began as sinners and will go out as sinners. The difference is that we have accepted that fact, along with Jesus, so I don't doubt my salvation based upon tiny errors I make every day.
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Old 10-15-10, 10:36 AM
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I suppose it comes down to praying for others to have assurance. I did stuff wrong and my Daddy still loved me - even when mama said I should be afraid to tell him. If an earthly very human Daddy could love me not because of or in spite of but just because I was his daughter and he loved me how much much more my perfect heavenly Father.
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1Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. ... Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. Matthew 25:40 & 45

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Old 10-15-10, 10:39 AM
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The idea comes to mind that perhaps a sense of instability in this relationship could account for instabilities in human relationships. Does that make sense to you? Something more to pray about. along with how to help them
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1Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. ... Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. Matthew 25:40 & 45

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most people who hold the view that one unrepented sin can keep a person out of heaven believe that no sin can enter into the presence of God because He is so pure and holy. most also believe that if the sin is not repented of it is part of that person and therefore the person can not come into God's presence. They do not believe in purgatory so the only other available eternal destination is hell.

often it is easiest to understand what someone believes and why if we look at the religious surroundings of that belief. when the belief in a fear of loosing salvation is found it is often in contrast to a surrounding climate of eternal security teaching carried to such extreme that one would think that if a person had ever said a sinners prayer he could stroll into heaven crack pipe in one hand whiskey bottle and porn tapes in the other.
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Old 10-15-10, 02:58 PM
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I feel manipulated when I read that. Like it's a control tactic - who decides whether or not the person in question dies in a state of unrepented sin?

Then, there is this verse: 1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

My understanding of the grammatical usage of sin here refers to someone who makes a practice of sinning, not someone whose victory over sin is not yet complete.

That particular philosophy smells strongly of pelagianism. Pelagius preached (simplified explanation) that a human being's will and ability can fulfill the commands of God apart from God's grace if he/she wills to do good. He taught that man had no particular bent for doing evil as a result of the fall - babies are born totally innocent and without a leaning to sin.

Pelagius was excommunicated from the church because of this belief, but he has had adherents down through the ages including Charles Finney who believed in a kind of semi-Pelagianism. People were born with somewhat of a taint of sin, but are not helpless in their sin.
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My understanding of the grammatical usage of sin here refers to someone who makes a practice of sinning, not someone whose victory over sin is not yet complete. good distinction
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1Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. ... Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. Matthew 25:40 & 45

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Old 10-18-10, 01:55 AM
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I cannot imagine the emotionl and spiritual stress you would be under if you believed God would send you off to hell if you committed a sin ..that is if you have accepted Him as Your Savior..

God disciplines His chilldren He does not destroy them..
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