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Old 06-17-16, 11:02 PM
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Is there a link between:

If you have faith as big as a mustard seed you can tell a mountain to move into an ocean

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The parable of the mustard seed, the smallest seed, growing into the biggest tree?

There must be right? I have faith enough to contribute to prayer, enough to believe in God unwaveringly and for a number of reasons as well as other arguments that aren't related to logic, but I can't get a mountain to move into an ocean (yes I've tried). Jesus is saying that actually the mustard seed IS a big thing? Or is passage of time also important here?
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Old 06-18-16, 10:29 AM
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Is there a link between:

If you have faith as big as a mustard seed you can tell a mountain to move into an ocean

And

The parable of the mustard seed, the smallest seed, growing into the biggest tree?

There must be right? I have faith enough to contribute to prayer, enough to believe in God unwaveringly and for a number of reasons as well as other arguments that aren't related to logic, but I can't get a mountain to move into an ocean (yes I've tried). Jesus is saying that actually the mustard seed IS a big thing? Or is passage of time also important here?
Hi Paulo,

You pose an interesting question, and I am not sure what sort of answer you are seeking. Both of those statements are rooted in "parables". Parables are defined as:

1. a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson.
2. a statement or comment that conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison, analogy, or the like.

Having faith as small as a Mustard Seed is all that is needed to have the power to move mountains. Faith, like the Mustard Seed, if planted and nurtured daily will grow to be as large as the mighty tree. However, our prayers must align with the scripture, and the sovereign will of God.

If one desires to pray that a mountain actually moves into the ocean, one needs to pray first and ask if it is the will of God that His mountain be moved into the ocean because (logically) it no longer is where He wants it.

It's my understanding that God always answers prayer, even if the answer is NO, or NOT YET...

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Old 06-18-16, 03:25 PM
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You have probably heard the saying it's not how big your faith is it's how big your God is. The emphasis and the dynamic is in Him, in His strength not in showing off our faith or our power.

There are 2 things about a mustard seed that come to mind. It is alive and when it is planted it can grow. If it is just shut up in one of those little globe things people wear on a necklace or a key chain it is not planted and it is not going to grow. If it is in the seasoning shelf in the kitchen it is not going to grow productively either. What does that tell us about our faith? It has to be alive. If our faith is to be compared to the mustard seen it too must be alive and planted so it can grow. What is alive faith? Faith in Jesus who is the way the truth and the life (John 14:5) . In Him is life (John 1:4) apart from Him there is no life only dead works. So our mustard seed faith must be alive in Jesus Christ and when it is it can grow. How does faith grow? Romans 10:17 tells us "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God". Our faith can grow from tiny seed to tall tree when it is rooted and grounded in Jesus Christ and in His word. Jesus tells us in John 15:5 "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." So it is with our faith. We need to continually be in Christ and in his written word so that our faith can take root and be alive and grow and
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Old 08-23-16, 05:21 PM
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Is there a link between:

If you have faith as big as a mustard seed you can tell a mountain to move into an ocean

And

The parable of the mustard seed, the smallest seed, growing into the biggest tree?

There must be right? I have faith enough to contribute to prayer, enough to believe in God unwaveringly and for a number of reasons as well as other arguments that aren't related to logic, but I can't get a mountain to move into an ocean (yes I've tried). Jesus is saying that actually the mustard seed IS a big thing? Or is passage of time also important here?
In my experience 99% of what the Visible Church CALLS "Faith" has nothing to do with "Faith" at all. WHat FAITH is - is defined in HEb 11:1 and anything that is CALLED FAITH that isn't a SUBSTANCE of what's hoped for, and Isn't EVIDENCE that what's not there, will be - isn't FAITH at all, regardless of what "name" we give it.

I used to have a Bible study in the '70s which were a time of GREAT hunger spiritually in the MIdwest. I was "Full Gospel", but the others in the group were United Church of Christ, which is as totally liberal a bunch as you could find. And so what I taught were "Basics of the Faith".

And then one of the ladies in the group brought her son. He'd just been discharged from the hospital, and sent home to die with some sort of Bone cancer that was all over him inside. Nothing the medical community had done had any effect. He was 26, recently married, hairless, colorless, cold to the touch, weak as a kitten, and essentially a dead man walking. NO hope.

And his Mother said - God has let me know that My son won't die, but will be healed completely. Don't pray for his healing, just thank God for his provision in his life. And so we didn't pray for healing, but DID thank God for His Answer. I'm not saying I "Bought into it" at the time - when you see a need it's EASY to "HEar a voice". BUT God DOES HEAL, and God DOES SPEAK to his people, so we went with it.

There was no Spectacular show of FAITH, no Whooping and hollering, just his mother saying, matter of factly - He's Gonna recover - when there WAS NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE AT ALL that anything would happen.

An the next time, we met there was no change, and we thanked God for his provision, and about a month later the son had color, and then Hair, and his strength returned, and 6 months later he was pronounced Cancer free, and 30 years later, he was a deacon in the AG CHurch in St. Mary's OH.

And Mom KNEW (because God had told her) that it would all happen - before ANYTHING happened.

Rom 10:17 say that Faith comes by HEARING, and Hearing by the WORD OF GOD.

Paul asks the Galatians: does the one who works miracles among you, do it by the works of the law, or BY THE HEARING OF FAITH?

God's Word to US is what we can put our FAITH in, and when we have His WORD on a thing - it's DONE.
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Old 08-23-16, 08:05 PM
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strong testimony. \0/

One thing is that what God tells us will always agree w His written word. The original not necessarily w some person's interpretation or paraphrase thereof
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strong testimony. \0/

One thing is that what God tells us will always agree w His written word. The original not necessarily w some person's interpretation or paraphrase thereof
Agreed - HOWEVER

What God TELLS US may NOT agree with this or that DENOMINATION'S INTERPRETATION of God's Word - which is why there's the lack of unity in the "Visible Church".
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Thus the comment the original not some persons interpretation or paraphrase.
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And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. ... Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. Matthew 25:40 & 45

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Old 08-25-16, 04:32 AM
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Very interesting Bob and very good points. I suspected the reason I couldn't move a mountain into an ocean was because my faith wasn't all there - of course I had doubt. It's the kind of thing only Jesus could do.
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ilj tradition is that the person who answers well gets to post the next question if u want.
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Is there a link between:

If you have faith as big as a mustard seed you can tell a mountain to move into an ocean
And the "Mustard seed" is YOU believing God's Word to YOU.

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The parable of the mustard seed, the smallest seed, growing into the biggest tree?
I don't believe so - a "Mustard seed DOESN'T grow into a great tree, and "Birds" are generally signs of EVIL presence. So the parable appears to be saying that "something unnatural will be happening" - i.e. the Mustard seed IS NOT PRODUCING what it should produce (Committed Christians, focused on the Lord, and his work), but instead produced "Vast religious organizations" full of Corruption, and "business ethics", providing a home for evil.

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I can't get a mountain to move into an ocean (yes I've tried).
Which is because you never had FAITH to move the mountain. FAITH is invariably a GIFT, and the Galatian issue is present: "THe one who does MIRACLES among you - does he do it by the "Works of the law, OR BY THE HEARING of FAITH"???

FAITH comes by HEARING, and Hearing by the Word of God (which is anything GOD SAYS to you).

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