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View Poll Results: What do you think about more Biblical /theological Discussion at ilj
yeah I guess so 2 15.38%
YES very much so 7 53.85%
whatever 1 7.69%
doesn't seem like a good idea but ok if ppl want it 0 0%
NO WAY 0 0%
IT shouldbe a separate bd open to all to encourage more discussion 3 23.08%
I prefer it be a board like men'sand women's bd w/posting and reading only by ppl who sign up for it 1 7.69%
I prefer to see it all be part of Christian Fellowship bd. 0 0%
I am running for the hills at the thought of this 1 7.69%
I hagve friends who mght like to come join such discussions 1 7.69%
You'll do anything to post a poll won't you? 1 7.69%
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Old 05-29-08, 04:47 PM
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Default Do you think that ilj can handle more Biblical and/or theological discussion?

Biblical and/or theological discussion is welcome in CF as long as it stays dscussion not argument. However the perception of some is that it is not encouraged or accepted. This of course goes back to the bad old days of the open debate and discussion bd. It seems however that perhaps in trying to avoid the problems and wounds that brought we are avoiding area about which people wish they could talk. What do you think. Is the group we have here now mature enough? Should we continue to just encourage these discussions in CF or have a separate forum? If a separate forum should it be open to all members or be a specific membership bd like the Men's and Women's bds? Personally I'd love there to be a place at ilj where people shared more of what the Lord is showing them and encouraged others to get into His word more and seek His face more. I don't care whether that is in CF or a bd just for that. I do care very much that all members be respected and that people not get taking pot shots at each other bec of differences especially not because of differences in things I consideral peripheral to the basics of faith in Christ. We worked very hard to craft terms of service in a way that made people welcome without restrictions in those areas.

For simplicity sake I'm going to make a poll on this but please make comments too. Thanks.
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Old 05-29-08, 10:54 PM
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It depends on whether or not there will be one set of rules for everybody. Both in theory and in practice.
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Old 05-29-08, 11:10 PM
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point well taken
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Old 05-30-08, 12:45 AM
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As long as we don't get into the mentality that one view is right and anyone with a different view is wrong, I'm fine with it. That was one of the things that ran me away from this place so long ago. Everyone has differing beliefs regarding the rapture/tribulation, what parts of the bible should be taken literally or metaphorically, and what it says regarding certain subjects. And I feel those views should be respected, even if we may disagree with them. I think that if everyone could keep that in mind and try to hold to it, it has a chance of working out. IMO any discussion that starts off with the mentality of "I'm right and you're wrong" is doomed to fail every time.
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Old 05-30-08, 01:46 AM
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I'm always worried about getting involved in this kind of thing because I'm scared of posting something which I hold to be true but which the board admins are totally against.
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Old 05-30-08, 06:08 AM
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The basic beliefs which would be the standard for that and any other bd at ilj are set forth in terms of service to which all members claim they agree when joining. For simplicity sake I'll include the parts of TOS relevant to this here too.

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In terms of the specific things mentioned different iews re rapture and tribulation would certainly be welcomed and we wouild ask and insist that ppl holding different viewpoints respect each other and respect Jesus who lives in the person with whom they ma differ to the point where they recognize that in insulting or disparaging their brother or sister in the Lord they disparage and insult the Lord who lives within that person. I have probably heard both sides of every possible rapture and trib viewpoint and have yet to kill anyone over it and have managed to avoid being killed by anyone over it thus far so there is probably hope for the rest of us. Most ppl here know my voews on it and also know that I would be very happy to be incorrect on this one. The board standard is to take the Bible literally except where something is clearly allegorical or illustrative *(see TOS above)

BTW nothing in this thread or this discussion is meant to limit anyone from posting anything of a Biblical or theological nature in CF provided it is something that is w/in TOS.

Does anyone else find it highly ironic that someone who was a collegiate debater and had argumentation as part of their major and whose favorite off line Bible discussions are or border on debate is the one charged with enforcing the no debate policy?
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Old 05-30-08, 04:00 PM
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As long as you all realize that I'm always right than I think it would be fine.
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Only One is always right. Thankfully He is also merciful.
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I would like a forum for this purpose. But in the past on other boards people signed up just for the purpose of posting in those threads to argue and disagree and just be mean... So, I think that any forum like that should be in a place where maybe everyone can read the posts, but only people who have maybe made a certain number of posts to prove themselves 'trustworthy' should be able to reply to/make a new thread in the forum. But that's just my opinion. Kind of like in the 'Ask' forum.
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Would that include questions about how Christians should respond to people who are homosexual? How about the possibilities and limits of forgiveness?
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Old 06-01-08, 10:11 PM
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I would think those would both be appropriate topics
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Are there limits to forgiveness? I won't start a discussion in this thread but I'd be interested in something like that.
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Old 06-02-08, 01:17 PM
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So maybe start a separate thread
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Are there limits to forgiveness? I won't start a discussion in this thread but I'd be interested in something like that.
That's what I'd like to discuss, Paulo. I've been reading some books by Holocaust survivors, and they're rough reads. So...feel free to start a thread--I'll drop by as I can!
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I suppose we could try this. As long as the rules are clear and are understood by everyone involved (including those in charge). I think ILJ could handle it. A lot of good points have been made here and I think if we put it all together it could work. Just my 2cents worth.
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